From: David Chizmadia <>
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:50:56 -0600
Subject: Re: [e-lang] Modelling Blindness

To be clear - I'm in complete agreement with Jonathan!  Tyler should
certainly submit the paper to a recognized and refereed venue with
proceedings - perferably on both paper and the web. I would note that
possible candidate venues that would allow publication sooner than May,
2004 include:
    Computer Security Foundations Workshop (June/July 2003)
    New Security Paradigms Workshop (August 2003)
    6th Info Security Conference (HP Labs, Bristol)(1-3 Oct)
        ( )
    ACSAC 19 (December 2003)

If 2003 is an ESORICS year, that would be another excellent venue. 

-DMC shap 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan S.  Shapiro" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [e-lang] Modelling Blindness (was: "Capability
MythsDemolished" (was: Software security workshop))

> On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 23:31, David Chizmadia wrote:
> > As a general observation, I think that shortly after Tyler
> > unleashes his paper arguing that Lampson had a "naive"
> > understanding of capabilities ...
> I've said this before, but I don't think I've said it clearly enough.
> To be useful, the paper that Tyler is contemplating needs to be
> published in a forum that carries standing comparable to that of the 5th
> Princeton Security Workshop (which is where the Lampson paper was
> published). There is no point shouting in a room where the audience is
> not present. With apologies to David, this means that the appropriate
> target conference for such a paper is the Oakland conference (IEEE
> Symposium on Security and Privacy).
> The problem with publishing this at DocSec is that (a) it won't have any
> impact and (b) it will make publication in a more rigorous venue
> impossible on the grounds that the publication lacks novelty.
> I'm not endorsing this state of affairs; merely making note of it.
> shap
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